When I went in to talk to the builders working here about their vans, the response was:
"What's it got to do with you"
My response was : "I live here (in this town)" and walked out.
There is an attitude about that people can make their own rules up and to hell with the rest.
As far as I can tell they haven't parked back on this corner again.
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Well done Geoff made your point,
kept calm,took pics and left them to ponder consequences perfect tatics.
Yes, getting better at this!
Thanks
Leave them alone they are trying to do a job
You will never publish this comment however i was there and you know fine well you said more than that. You were rude and there really is no need you mini Hitler.
No one can win this one unless someone had a tape recorder.
I was not rude.
I said my piece briefly and received the reply quoted.
It is significant that some people think that we should "leave them alone" and others see you as a "mini Hitler", because you want them to abide by the law.
camels who are parked on double yellow lines must show respect by wearing a black suit, white tie and a fedora hat, and nod their heads slowly while chewing a cigar at the right side of their mouths.
camels who don't abide by those dress codes will be charged with disrespect and deported to the savannah desert.
No consideration for mothers with prams, old and infirm who can't pass on the footpath, can't pass without going well into line of traffic.
What did the knuckledraggers gain?
They are breaking the law on two counts and pig ignorant or thick. Well done, you do what some would like to if they had the courage.
What I found really annoying was this stretch of footpath had been cleared of snow by the people living in the house; thus making it a safe option for people on foot and with buggies.
Then these builders came along and park right over the path and block it.
They show no thought for others and think they have the right to put themselves first, making life as easy for themselves as possible.
Now, as you see above, they have the nerve to make out that others are at fault with not the slightest sign of an apology.
Overall, talking to them and exposing their behaviour has achieved nothing but a positive result even though I can expect some flack next time I make contact.
In the past, in similar circumstances, after and intial aggressive pose , I've managed to get on well with bullies like this. One gains their respect for standing up to them and deep inside they know they're in the wrong.
RIDING OR DRIVING ON THE FOOTPATH
Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835 provides an offence of riding or driving on the footpath.
It states:
If any person shall wilfully ride upon any footpath or causeway by the side of any road, made or set apart for the use or accommodation of foot passengers; or shall wilfully lead or drive any horse, ass, sheep, mule, swine, cattle or carriage of any description, or any truck or sledge, upon any such footpath or causeway or tether any horse, ass, mule, swine or cattle on any highway so as to suffer or permit the tethered animal to be thereon.
NOTES:
(i) A footpath is part of a highway, if it is beside a road.
(ii) The section only extends to the wilful obstructions specified.
(iii) Proceeding may be instituted by anyone and is not confined exclusively to the Highway Authority.
(iv) "Wilful" under this section means "purposely"
This boils down to the fact that we have no parking regulation in the town. Builders/scaffolders are supposed to liase with the council to allow them to park on yellow lines near to their work. In Barrow they are given a day permit to do so ,in Ulverston they don't need to bother because there are no traffic wardens and the police are not interested .
Thanks for this insight.
I wouldn't mind if there was a compromise solution.
Once again, I have no confidence in our councillors doing something about it.
I'll suggest to Cllr Hodgson that he pursues a solution and see what happens.
-*+
Don't even bother Geoff. SLDC are giving back parking enforcement to CCC because they can't manage it. They can't see that by doing the job properly they could raise money .I have raised this matter with various councillors and got nowhere.Ulverston needs full time traffic wardens and they would be self-financing. What really annoys me is that police drive past dangerously parked cars and do nothing.
A.R.
As I understand it, the police only get involved when a dangerous situation exists and not with routine parking violations.
Blocking the highway would qualify I'm not sure what they actually do.
Something to find out.
My response was : "I live here (in this town)" and walked out.
i wasn't though was it geoff?
you were more bothered about your view of the car park from out of your window which doesn't even face that house
As far as I can tell they haven't parked back on this corner again.
thats because the job is done, if they still had more work to do they would still park there because nobody cares what you think.
We do not need to pay a traffic warden we have the general public .
I repeat well done Geoff.
They will soon learn " Aye Up its Geoff " the words may be a little more colourfull.
The public have a right under
Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835
Note (iii) Proceeding may be instituted by anyone and is not confined exclusively to the Highway Authority.
You have enough evidence with your photo give the guilty a chance to apologise or else!
News should get about that should do the trick
No it wasn't.
Something along the lines of"I've taken photographs and I'm reporting you to the police"
What's wrong with that?
I'd tried to get the message across in the street on a previous occasion and got nowhere.
I was fed up.
But I was not abusive.
The conversation started off wrong when I asked "Are these vans outside yours?"
They had been there for several days.
You clearly gave no thought to the pedestrians trying to get past.
Why can't you plan your work out better so that you don't need to be going back to two vans.
I agree that we the public can do something about this and this is a far better route than the law.
The Law is the tool of a Nanny State. It's an extemely blunt instrument and sometimes gets it wrong.
We end up saying "The Law is an ass"
There aren't enough police or the system to enforce it. So why make laws?
We don't need to be made to behave well to others. We can think for ourselves.
I repeat- the attitude of these builders was - we've a right to put our convenience first - we're under pressure of earning a living.
There's the opposite view - we too are under pressure we have a baby in a buggy with a toddler as well and struggling on ice and your vans are causing us to have to put ourselves in danger in order to get past them.
Both views have to be open to compromise and establish a dialogue.
The behaviour of these builders is "We're right. Keep you nose out - mind your own business".
I believe in raising issues and many times there is a hostile attitude.
I've come to the conclusion that saying something really works - in the long term. People tell you to "Piss off" and sometimes appear to do nothing but I'm sure it still registers.
The trick, for me, is to stay calm, rational, state facts and avoid an argument where you may be tempted to become irrational.
I'm sure it works but it takes time to develop the confidence to do it - start small with - "Did you notice that your dog has just shat on the pavement?"
With kids littering the pavement with chips - "Don't you think that this looks rather a mess?"
If we all did it and didn't think it was someone else's job to do, then life here would be very different.
This doesn't help there business at all
Agreed.
Neither does it help pedestrians particularly with young children.
A compromise needs to be reached - a middle road where we all give ground.
Park the van on double yellow while essential access is needed - say 30 mins in the day - then laeve the pavement for people.
The attitude of the builders indicated no compromise - it was "What's it got to do with you".
I spotted a traffic warden in town today,i was shocked
yes geoff you were rude, it was me you were talking too, now if you would have came and said excuse me lads could you please move your vans as people may struggle too get past them then i assure you they would have been moved immediately
I agree that it could have been done differently.
I approached the situation assuming that you would object.
I had reason to do so in my view. Saying "could you please move your vans as people may struggle too get past them"
is something I would never say.
The above was obvious to anyone who parked as you did - you didn't need it pointing out.
What I take away from this is to tell myself:
Keep on trying - you'll do better next time - but at the same time be prepared for the response "What's that got to do with you".
I'm curious why don't you identify yourself instead of hiding behind anonymity .
In summary I am pleased that the builders here -
Guy McCullough Building Services Ltd
The Office, 54, The Gill, Ulverston, Cumbria LA12 7BL
Have stated that had that they been asked differently, they would avoided parking in this way.
We look forward to this considerate behaviour in the future and wish them well as they venture forward from The Gill in their business in what will be difficult times.
I shall be asking them for an interview so that they can promote themselves to the readers here.
What is classed as rude?
You didnt like being told the truth that is not rude.
Truth may be a stranger to you it may have come as a shock.
The signs on the van should read "Featherbed Builders With Mobility Problems"
Come on no consideration for others is not a good advert say sorry it does you no credit to act the victim
"Say sorry and grow up"
Well done Geoff.
goff i think you & your followers are being very petty & you should all get out a bit more & meet people. stop letting the good people of ulverston down but most of all stop letting yourself down. respect too the pavement huggers
The comments continue to come in from those trying to defend their and other people's selfish actions.
Seems to me that a lot more need to speak out and give them a bit of potty training.
We have some people around that still have a fair bit of growing up to do before they could be called 'responsible adults'.
Geoff on his high horse!
Stop being a parking muff Geoff and let them do what they have to do, cripples can easy get round and old people should not be out anyway.
Potty training Brilliant
Made me chuckle
As for getting out been twice round the world.
Cant even spell Geoff =Gof
Used the wrong Too
"The higher the monkey climbs the tree the more it shows its bum"
Guy McCullough Building Services Ltd have done their reputation harm
by their shallow behaviour in the first instance and wingeing in the second.
No work from me, not the kind I like to deal with.
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