Here is a more complete draft of what happened at the meeting which will be updated shortly.
All views regarding this proposal need to reach the planning officer - Kate Lawson
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Presentation
• Robinsons currently own 9 pubs in town: 3 are not open
• English Heritage say that the three cottages on Brewery Street have no particular importance but various features of the site were earmarked for conservation.
• The car park will have 105 space underground and 200? In SLDC car park
• There will no more traffic in town it will be retained on Brewery Street
• What will the back of the building look like?
• At the moment 112 vehicles per week go into the Brewery. The supermarket will need 6 to 8 deliveries a day (7x8=56) so less that is currently experienced
• Why?
• 3 supermarkets are interested
• 70% of food shopping is lost to Barrow, clawback
• Brewery is the only possible site
• Regeneration of the town
• More footfall in town
• Double the present car parking
• Jobs kept at Robinson’s (112 full time equivalent jobs at supermarket)
• Reduced travel by shoppers
Points raised at the public meeting on 21 st July 2011
• Jane Harris, Fountain St: The supermarket is not justified by the report of 2007
• Kerry Hutton, Market St: I am a researcher and the Southampton Uni Report gave a summary that was favourable to in town supermarkets but the £50 paid for the full report revealed that 42% of convenience trades thought that such a store would damage their trade.
• Mrs Wilkinson?: Why a food supermarket, why not sell to a DIY chain or a store like Wilkinson’s
• ? Rydal Rd: Any clawback of food sales would only benefit the supermarket not the other shops in town would.
• Paul Kingsnorth, The Gill, Writer and Researcher: Town centre damage and loss of footfall is well documented (1998 Gov. report on the impact of superstores) Why should Ulverston be unique in not suffering damaged trade?
• ? Townside : (i) loss of lane on roundabout will mean a reversing of the improvement obtained by the road widening (ii) 2 hours free parking in the Car Park will not be enough time for people to go into town and enjoy the cafes and boutiques
• Maggie Hawk 1 mile out of town, used to be a trader in town :Opening Asda in Barrow and Booths had a detrimental effect on the town. Have Robinson’s considered opening up the area to luxury apartments, craft workshops and a Heritage Centre similar to the Brewery Arts Centre in Kendal? If not, why not? The building proposed is very ugly.
• Dr Richard Rowland: Has Mr Robinson considered the wisdom of the business decision?
• Doug Gillam, Tea Room :Road safety is a real concern as the rise in Brewery Street will obstruct a clear view of the traffic coming up Brewery St to people crossing at the junction of Union Street and Fountain Street. The traffic survey was done in the school holidays so the number of pedestrians may be very unrepresentative.
• Glen Rose, Croftlands: Has the consultation with the population come at the wrong place in the discussions? We should have been asked before planning application was submitted. We have one option in response : do not use the place.
• Jackie Williams, Sun Street :Is a high-end supermarket proposed? If so why?The answer suggested one of Tesco, Asda , Morrisons or Sainsburys!!
• Have compulsory orders already been issued by the Council for the cottages in Brewery Street ? Supermarkets are there for their own profits.
• Colin Picthall, Fountain Street: Weatherspoons will be a direct threat to the pubs in town should we join forces with Robinsons against their arrival?
• Sandra Buck?, trader in Town : The impact of the Bistro will be enormous It will devastate the cafes in town.
• ? Laurel Cottage, opposite the proposed supermarket: The vents for the refrigeration units will emit nitrous oxide into the atmosphere and will damage the health of people living nearby. No answers because the new “owner” will make certain choices that are unknown at the moment.
• David Myers: The Town will suffer as it has done over several years with many other changes.
• Helen Gilpin, Ainsley Street: Car parking is not adequate at the moment. Where will the staff park. What will happen to the water of the Beck and also from the well within the boundaries of the site?
• Back Hart Street: two cottages need to escape over the site in the case of fire. What precautions are being taken for access for this escape?
• Tina Henshal, Trader in Market Street: Can we stop this going ahead? Is it Yes or No? Answer you will get one out of town if you do not accept this one
• Councillor Williams :SLDC are generally passing all land for housing so why is the land not being sold for housing rather than this supermarket? Sale or lease? Answer The lease is more profitable
• ? Hart Street: Has the Car Park been sold by SLDC? Answer. No we have agreed to remodel the car park and use it. Also the Went is to be considered for improvements as part of the deal.
• John Lawrence: Which are the eight towns that have been studied for the impact on town centres? Answer: Haydock Cheadle, Gorton,? Shepton Mallet,Ilminster, Warminster,?.
• ? Burlington Street: When the work in the car park is being carried out where will all the cars go?
• Paul Millard: Why are talking about an out of town supermarket when there is no mention of it in the Development Plan? Answer: If you do not want this plan the supermarket might be placed at Swarthmore (Canal Head has been rejected).
• David Jackson, Dale Street: Will 70% of the shopping return from Barrow to the town…..what is the basis for the figure of 70%? Answer: A local survey was carried out by post and telephone (28. How many in the audience none have been asked about their shopping habits. None)
• ? Butcher’s shop in Town: Will you undertake to give jobs to all the shop-owners and their employees? Answer No
• Phil Johnson: Do you care about the Town or are you just making money with the closure?
• See above 25
• Christine Johnson: You stood in front of the Heritage plaque in the Brewery Site. Have your values changed? Answer: My values have not changed but the economics have
• Confused of Ulverston, Fountain Street: Are the SLDC puling the strings on this issue? The planning is unclear the Car Park issues seem confused with the plan in as much as you are being allowed to alter it to your needs. What is happening to the water running under the Car Park and the Brewery Site?
• Will there be subsidence when the underground Car Park is excavated. Answer: there will be 3 metre foundations on the Hart Street side and we do not anticipate and hazards for the public.
• Steve Robinson, Laurel Cottage: The site was allocated for 15 houses in the Local Plan (re R256) Answer: SLDC told us, across the table, that this site was preferred for retail use
• Robinsons currently own 9 pubs in town: 3 are not open
• English Heritage say that the three cottages on Brewery Street have no particular importance but various features of the site were earmarked for conservation.
• The car park will have 105 space underground and 200? In SLDC car park
• There will no more traffic in town it will be retained on Brewery Street
• What will the back of the building look like?
• At the moment 112 vehicles per week go into the Brewery. The supermarket will need 6 to 8 deliveries a day (7x8=56) so less that is currently experienced
• Why?
• 3 supermarkets are interested
• 70% of food shopping is lost to Barrow, clawback
• Brewery is the only possible site
• Regeneration of the town
• More footfall in town
• Double the present car parking
• Jobs kept at Robinson’s (112 full time equivalent jobs at supermarket)
• Reduced travel by shoppers
Points raised at the public meeting on 21 st July 2011
• Jane Harris, Fountain St: The supermarket is not justified by the report of 2007
• Kerry Hutton, Market St: I am a researcher and the Southampton Uni Report gave a summary that was favourable to in town supermarkets but the £50 paid for the full report revealed that 42% of convenience trades thought that such a store would damage their trade.
• Mrs Wilkinson?: Why a food supermarket, why not sell to a DIY chain or a store like Wilkinson’s
• ? Rydal Rd: Any clawback of food sales would only benefit the supermarket not the other shops in town would.
• Paul Kingsnorth, The Gill, Writer and Researcher: Town centre damage and loss of footfall is well documented (1998 Gov. report on the impact of superstores) Why should Ulverston be unique in not suffering damaged trade?
• ? Townside : (i) loss of lane on roundabout will mean a reversing of the improvement obtained by the road widening (ii) 2 hours free parking in the Car Park will not be enough time for people to go into town and enjoy the cafes and boutiques
• Maggie Hawk 1 mile out of town, used to be a trader in town :Opening Asda in Barrow and Booths had a detrimental effect on the town. Have Robinson’s considered opening up the area to luxury apartments, craft workshops and a Heritage Centre similar to the Brewery Arts Centre in Kendal? If not, why not? The building proposed is very ugly.
• Dr Richard Rowland: Has Mr Robinson considered the wisdom of the business decision?
• Doug Gillam, Tea Room :Road safety is a real concern as the rise in Brewery Street will obstruct a clear view of the traffic coming up Brewery St to people crossing at the junction of Union Street and Fountain Street. The traffic survey was done in the school holidays so the number of pedestrians may be very unrepresentative.
• Glen Rose, Croftlands: Has the consultation with the population come at the wrong place in the discussions? We should have been asked before planning application was submitted. We have one option in response : do not use the place.
• Jackie Williams, Sun Street :Is a high-end supermarket proposed? If so why?The answer suggested one of Tesco, Asda , Morrisons or Sainsburys!!
• Have compulsory orders already been issued by the Council for the cottages in Brewery Street ? Supermarkets are there for their own profits.
• Colin Picthall, Fountain Street: Weatherspoons will be a direct threat to the pubs in town should we join forces with Robinsons against their arrival?
• Sandra Buck?, trader in Town : The impact of the Bistro will be enormous It will devastate the cafes in town.
• ? Laurel Cottage, opposite the proposed supermarket: The vents for the refrigeration units will emit nitrous oxide into the atmosphere and will damage the health of people living nearby. No answers because the new “owner” will make certain choices that are unknown at the moment.
• David Myers: The Town will suffer as it has done over several years with many other changes.
• Helen Gilpin, Ainsley Street: Car parking is not adequate at the moment. Where will the staff park. What will happen to the water of the Beck and also from the well within the boundaries of the site?
• Back Hart Street: two cottages need to escape over the site in the case of fire. What precautions are being taken for access for this escape?
• Tina Henshal, Trader in Market Street: Can we stop this going ahead? Is it Yes or No? Answer you will get one out of town if you do not accept this one
• Councillor Williams :SLDC are generally passing all land for housing so why is the land not being sold for housing rather than this supermarket? Sale or lease? Answer The lease is more profitable
• ? Hart Street: Has the Car Park been sold by SLDC? Answer. No we have agreed to remodel the car park and use it. Also the Went is to be considered for improvements as part of the deal.
• John Lawrence: Which are the eight towns that have been studied for the impact on town centres? Answer: Haydock Cheadle, Gorton,? Shepton Mallet,Ilminster, Warminster,?.
• ? Burlington Street: When the work in the car park is being carried out where will all the cars go?
• Paul Millard: Why are talking about an out of town supermarket when there is no mention of it in the Development Plan? Answer: If you do not want this plan the supermarket might be placed at Swarthmore (Canal Head has been rejected).
• David Jackson, Dale Street: Will 70% of the shopping return from Barrow to the town…..what is the basis for the figure of 70%? Answer: A local survey was carried out by post and telephone (28. How many in the audience none have been asked about their shopping habits. None)
• ? Butcher’s shop in Town: Will you undertake to give jobs to all the shop-owners and their employees? Answer No
• Phil Johnson: Do you care about the Town or are you just making money with the closure?
• See above 25
• Christine Johnson: You stood in front of the Heritage plaque in the Brewery Site. Have your values changed? Answer: My values have not changed but the economics have
• Confused of Ulverston, Fountain Street: Are the SLDC puling the strings on this issue? The planning is unclear the Car Park issues seem confused with the plan in as much as you are being allowed to alter it to your needs. What is happening to the water running under the Car Park and the Brewery Site?
• Will there be subsidence when the underground Car Park is excavated. Answer: there will be 3 metre foundations on the Hart Street side and we do not anticipate and hazards for the public.
• Steve Robinson, Laurel Cottage: The site was allocated for 15 houses in the Local Plan (re R256) Answer: SLDC told us, across the table, that this site was preferred for retail use
Note : there may be innaccuracies in the above - please help with corrections.
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