I shall be doing all I can to persuade you and the Greens to stand down and vote for Barry Rabone.
Having talked to him I believe he is best placed to challenge the main parties.
He is to be praised for his pro shipyard diversification moving away from trident stance.
The Liberals have an impressive team and though they can be criticised for parts of their policy we have to move in small steps towards what we want.
The Liberals are a big improvement on the other main parties.
This election is not the one to push for the Greens - next one could be if the Liberals are able to get proportional representation accepted.
We need to take a pragmatic approach.
The trouble with party membership is that people stop thinking rationally for themselves and rely on others to make difficult decisions.
I cannot think of any rational argument in favour of voting Green this election.
I think you would create a lot of support for the future by going to the press now and stating that for this election you have realised that it would be better for a green future that Greens voted Liberal.
If you need further persuasion look at my blog re the Lovelock program on BBC Four.
I have just sent an email out which states:
If you deal with young people or have children, I suggest you will want to watch this program if you missed it.
http://geoffdellow.blogspot.com/2010/04/if-you-deal-with-people-under-20-please.html
You will want to understand this in the future; why leave it too long.
It deals with the man that has foreseen many of the problems that we have caused to the earth.
Something that effects the most important thing to us - the survival of humans.
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We are living in desparate times for the human race.
Drastic and dramatic measures need to be taken.
A change to Liberal policies is a move in the right direction and needs to be made NOW.
What are your counter arguments?
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Counter - arguments? Well, here's one taken from today's 'paper -
"Everybody treats Vince Cable as a semi-holy Mahatma Gandhi of British politics, because he is supposed in some way to have anticipated the financial crisis. Actually his most notable recommendation before the crisis was that Britain should join the euro - a move that would gravely have worsened our current position by leaving us in a Greek style straitjacket."
That, for me, says it all about the Libs.
Thanks for that J.S.
Are you saying though that the Green team would do a better job that the Lib. Dems. or are you saying that the Lib. Dems. aren't as good as they're cracked up to be and you prefer one of the main parties?
I'm arguing that the Greens should throw in the towel this time round and recommend voting Lib.Dem. in order to get a third party that is a strong as possible. Something that will promote major reforms in the way our democracy operates.
Then next time round have a go when some effective changes have taken place.
Many people are totally disenchanted with our democracy, so much so that they want to make their point by not voting at all.
Personally I can't see how that works.
Id like to prefer one of the main two and am inclined towards the Tories but frankly I really don't see that much difference between them. I am Euro sceptic and as I perceive the Cons to be marginally less enthusiastic about subsuming the UK to EU than Lab are, then I will probably vote Con.
By "major reforms" I assume you mean PR. Disaster. Like it or not there are many many people who sympathise with the BNP. If they felt there was a chance of the BNP gaining seats then they'd vote for them in droves.
I'll vote for who ever decides to legalize weed,they could sell through the n.h.s then all profits made can go back to the n.h.s
I think there are other reforms that could come in with a "out of the box" thinking government which could ensure more efficient debates avoiding time wasting as I've seen happen and must drive conscientious MPs round the bend.
Greater transparency that inhibits dishonesty which is continuously being brought to light. Eg how the three way debate has been avoided in the past by both main parties when they are substantially ahead by telling outright lies. the kind of thing that makes you sick and switches you off the whole system.
I'm sure there are plenty more serious issues a Lib. dem. parliament would promote just to secure themselves extra brownie points (should these now be called Cleggie points?)
Personally I am weary of the two party system.
In recent years Labour's unchallenged whipped in majority has allowed huge inroads to be made into long held liberties and a Presidential form of government on the part of Butcher Blair and his unelected cronies. This in turn led to the death of hundreds of thousands in Iraq and also in Lebanon where Blair's silence was deafening. Again in Gaza where I must presume solidarity with the Bush regime and its quasi Christian messianic support for Israel was of greater import than human life. With a two party system none of this could be effectively debated or challenged.
There are many other instances where political dialogue and consensus between parties would be much preferred to policy driven by dogma. It works well enough in many countries of the world. Why are the British so locked into conservatism, so resistant to change?
From Judith Filmore,Ulverston Greens,
Geoff,
I am aware that Chris will be replying to you as well. My own view is that although the Liberal Democrats have a number of Green policies they do not appear in their manifesto as part of a coherent philosophical basis nor do they believe in a Green economy which is fundamental to the Green Party. All our policies are derived from our philosophical basis which makes us very different from the Liberal Democrats.
The whole existence of the Green Party is to fight Elections otherwise we would all be members of various campaigning groups instead. Here in Ulverston we have been waiting for someone who is willing to stand, amongst our membership and then we were up and running. We will always put up candidates where we can, based on who is willing to stand because we believe that it is important to vote for who you believe in.
I am aware that in fact wherever we stand for Election we take votes from all the three main parties - we have many Green Party members who were once Tory, Labour or Liberal Democrat members and have since joined us.
Vote for who you believe in Geoff,
with best wishes,
Judy
Printed by Judy Filmore of 4 Chittery Lane, Ulverston LA12 7DP
Promoted by Simon Filmore of 4 Chittery Lane, Ulverston LA12 7DP on behalf of Chris Loynes of 7 Ainsworth St Ulverston LA12 7EU.
My reply:
I believe your logic is faulty.
Sadly I won't vote for who I believe in because I'd be voting for Chris who represents policies that are way ahead of the others.
However what is more important for me is to vote in such a way as to achieve the end that I want .
As there no chance of Chris getting in because the average person doesn't understand why we need Green policies - there's a long way to go before they do as was demonstrated last night.
So I will vote for the party this time that has both the closest policies to what I want and have a really good chance of getting in.
This is the Liberal party. If everyone who wasn't voting for Labour or Conservative were to vote for the Liberals then I believe that the Liberals would win (in spite of the ship yard reaction to Trident because they believe erroneously that this represents their loss of jobs).
If the Liberals get in the Greens would be happy as, of the three main parties, I believe this is the party they would choose in that they share a number of major policies with the Greens.
The most important policy promoted by Liberals is proportional representation. If they are able to get this through parliament as seems highly likely with a strong Liberal vote (whether they win or not), then at the next election the Greens are bound to get one or more likely several MPs in. They will then have more access to the media and hence the public for their policies.
Added to this Global warming will be even more apparent and the limit of world resources more biting (with China having collared many of the sources). The public will then be more receptive to Green policies and they start to really make headway.
This all makes sense to me. So it would be Greens next time round!
HOWEVER all this is academic as it will take about 8 - 10 years for all this to take place and in this time the hope of reversing Global warming will have disappeared completely if you believe Lovelock - and I do!
So in a way it will make little difference who is in charge as we're all going to die - all meaning the human race.
Even so it would be good to have Greens in place even though they can do little. They could never the less guide us through this crisis as painlessly as possible and might organise a very cheerful and enjoyable . . . .
mass suicide!
Yours very cheerfully
Geoff
Determined to enjoy every minute of what time we have left.
So do something really really important: Join us in a pottery making and flower planting celebration of human co-operation in our public spaces - as reported on my blog ! !
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